> Fun fact: a chunk of Odysseus was built *from a phone* -- mobile shells (Termux), the PWA install, and on-device agents. So "works on mobile" isn't an afterthought, it's where a lot of it actually happened.
Because I've seen AI do it myself? It will very readily take a lofty aim from the brainstorming phase, maybe mentioned off-hand or out of context in a planning doc somewhere, and regardless of if it's implemented it will claim it's part of the delivered product.
Not hating because his project is very cool but this is just a python UI on top of other oss - I'm only saying this bc team at Princeton and I have been building wthis but ground up in rust with more utility and running more custom tools, app integration, custom kernels outperforming llamacpp much more here www.conifer.build
Is it required to register to try and use your service. If I want local AI it is precisely to avoid having to register to a third party service. What am I missing here ?
> Sage is a proprietary application. The high-performance inference engine and the agent runtime are Sage's core technology and ship only as compiled binaries — there's no source here. This repository exists to distribute the app and its release notes, nothing more.
"Polishing" is something you do over time, and requires usage over time together with refinements, you can't spend a couple of hours refining the UI and suddenly it's "polished", at least in my mind.
TL/DR - "cleaner and more polished" implies no vibe coded slop, and the only reason people start these projects in 2026 is because they're addicted to vibe slop coding.
I tried installing openwebui once. I gave up after the first 12 gigabytes of pip packages. Made my own LLM chat UI in 500 lines of HTML/JS. That's really all I needed.
Surprisingly, there's a lot of items I'm seeing at first glance here at Odysseus that open-webui either doesn't have or takes extra effort to add in and I've used the latter for a really long time already.
Stuff like an agent mode, deep research and document work are things you'd be able to have with open-webui as well but Odysseus seems to have them thought out.
I am a 'fan' of Open Web UI, but the document editing mode is a compelling feature that Open Web UI does not have. I'll probably wait a while before trying Odysseus... let the inevitable security problems work themselves out.
The truth is, there's something about the vibe coder hive mind where they all create the same thing. Everyone is working on the same thing. There's hundreds of projects like this where the creator thinks they've created the most unique powerful thing.
I think it demonstrates how overuse of LLMs for brainstorming/planning and building destroys creativity. That zeitgeist changes from month to month, but when a vibe coded "AI Native" project gets released you'll always see dozens of people in the replies talking about the identical project they've also built or are working on.
I also notice this in my own work, the people who have most eaten the LLM brainworm will come to me asking for us to build the same projects. They all eventually converge to wanting some sort of power user app (like this) that can just do everything because AI is magic to them and there's no reason why it can't do everything.
I hate Peter Thiel but he has that famous quote form years ago where he says not to build the obvious thing because the obvious thing isn't special, so maybe this has always been a phenomenon.
I think the thing is users run into the same problems (barely desirable tool UX), and arrive at very similar solutions (but with their own small twists and preferences). And now that the barrier to make things is essentially gone, they jump in and make things that git their own desires week because nothing out there was an exact fit.
Like I found a really cool project a few weeks ago that I started using and even made a few QoL changes to. Then I thought of the many other changes I wanted, and that the project was written in a language I'm not familiar with (Rust), and I started a port in what I know well (Python) so that I'll be able to actually review the code if needed and generally make better architectural decisions.
Yea good point, the branding clause is a real gotcha, technically "open source" but with that restriction baked in, which makes it source-available rather than properly free under the OSI definition. A lot of people don't realize until they try to fork or rebrand it for a team/customer deployment and hit the wall.
Conifer (launching tomorrow, June 1st) goes the other way on this, properly open source with no branding strings attached, so you can actually fork or rebrand if you need to. Local AI runtime + IDE, native on Mac/Linux/Windows: conifer.build
call it what you want but the youtuber's journey into this field has been quite refreshing to watch.
this should be a supporting argument for those who advocate for agentic development for all level of expertise. at the same time, it is interesting to see how the vast majority of the open source work he referred to was from the east (maybe all but couple exceptions like opencode).
For personal or casual use it honestly a pretty good product ngl. The AI email reply is also a cute feature. Although my own personal project does this and more, still happy pewds product came to fruition tho. It was a long journey. my.blackbear.app
Is the person best known for exploiting security vulnerabilities to get into places you'd rather they didn't, and then getting lost and taking forever to get places the ideal namesake for your AI workspace project?
Out of all the homeric heroes, the main characters are just one tragic flaw after another. Odysseus is pathologically distrustful, Achilles is a diva that throws temper tantrums.
You gotta pick a dude like Sarpedon who just was a swell guy poking holes in greeks with his spear until he gets killed by Patroclus and everyone is sad.
I'm rereading the Iliad right now and was just reflecting on the fact the first time you see Odysseus at work he's selling two incompatible flavors of bullshit to officers and their men, in service of a third flavor of bullshit that was decided upon in advance at a war council.
I can think of worse. Inspired by somewhat surrealist names of a cat video, I'm pretty sure naming them "HP Inkjet 3482" would be a worse name for an AI model and lead to copyright issues from Hewlett-Packard.
The thing that intrigues me on this one is the Opencode roots.
I've currently host both Open WebUI and Opencode on a server setup and there's multiple things that Open WebUI has implemented very nicely over time but it was also prior to the emergence of coding agents / harnesses. As such, its strengths is more on the `/chat/completions` era and RAG and its own functions and ecosystem setup before tool calls were a thing.
If this stuff works for you already, I think that's fine. That's not a bad thing, and if anything, they've made attempts to improve esp. with the recent backend upgrades and projects like `open-terminal`.
However, Opencode has been built for the coding agent setup since its early days and Odysseus gives me more confidence to run sessions much better knowing that it runs on an Opencode core.
Stuff like MCP support and a clearer lifecycle for example are things I've never really seen implemented well on open-webui (they've improved and support this now, but I'm biased and am salty of the era from its early days of MCP support when they insisted you place a bridge (mcpo) in between just to make it do MCP.). In contrast, opencode does this very well since what they built that works on the terminal also applies to the desktop app and the ACP support for IDEs that use it to connect to the opencode harness.
At the minimum, I expect Opencode to work wonderfully against the frontier models, and all models they host on their Zen and Go service, so that adds some confidence as well on complex workflows.
In contrast, I still find model management a pain in the ass on open-webui (has always relied on LiteLLM or a third-party inference gateway) just to wrangle the models. Hell, they still tag the Responses API "experimental" today, a format that's been around since over last year.
Does that transfer to Odysseus? Maybe, maybe not. Seems it's based on it but a quick check on code says they merely adapted it so maybe it's the latter. I haven't tried it at depth and idk how well Pewds has implemented it, but if it improves on that angle and gets maintainers that accepts contributions from the community, I feel like it'll do nicely.
reminds me of the milla jovovich vibecoded ai memory project that got a little bit of hype but was mostly junk... guessing we're going to see a lot more "developer talked to a celebrity and came up with an idea for their money"
sure i can share it. it started as a text editor that i incorporated an agent into then moved to a standalone agent. now i’ve got the editor, agent, and have begun work on actual from scratch models (these aren’t available yet), but i’ve been messing with fine tuning ollama coder models as something in the meantime. the goal is embedded models accessible to everyone offline. too many tasks require many less parameters than people are using on them and don’t need to be routed through data centers. mainly just built it for myself but figured others might find it neat and/or useful. it’s all C, no packages or third party libraries. also to be clear i’m not against ai, im against it making 100% of the decisions for you. outside of its own models it’s capable of OAuth with claude and gh. it can also api into many others. tooling is always ongoing maintenance and i’ve got the next version of basically all three of them on the back burner waiting to be pushed. so anyway, here’s my little setup, here’s to not getting killed in the comments. contributions also welcome.
https://github.com/mithraeums/hako-code
its dense in features but the amount of security concerns and improvements would be too difficult to maintain with the way its organised currently. let's see.
At least it's done by people who know what they are doing. AI content becomes slop when it's made by people who literally have no idea what is inside. To be honest, that's why most of the content is slop, hence branded AI slop.
All these inexperienced vibe coders build identical slop UI, but what's funny is they usually think its super unique and are super proud of it. I hate them all.
A person that is expressing something a lot of real people are feeling. AI is churning out this terrible UI / graphic desing that looks the same, gives aways is just vibe coded slop and is VERY ugly.
I didn't see it linked from the project; it seems pretty relevant given who he is.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAzT5lcezPs